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more about XieHe's medical report

more about XH's medical report
    1.I am surprised about their shamelessness using ZL's case to publish paper, which may be counted for their promotion. What's their feelings about their mal-diagnosis and mal-treatment? Although the medical report itself may be good for others.
   2.Although I cannot getthe paper to read, I am sure they should not mention any patient's real name. Strictly, the case in their report could be ZL or somebody else.
   3.Assuming it is ZL, they missed a lot of things about the symptoms before coma, the description about Ti exposure is not correct either, because ZL is sure to be poisoned!
   4.the first author is not Dr. Li. I don't know what is exactly in his mind. At least twice poison was so obvious conclusion even to a general clinical doctor, not mention an expert like him.

   5. What XH did to ZL's diagnosis and treatment, especially the treatment after diagnosis are so ridiculous, , even they don't know what is good and special drug for Ti poison!
   6. Since Dr. Li is said an expert and he had Ti poison as first impression, how XH could so easily exclude his opinion without lab test and test treatment? The exclusion couldn't be only based on a statement from QH since most Ti poisons are criminal!
   7. It is stupid to use XH's report as legal document because they are not innocent themself!
   8. The medical records from the two hopitals plus Dr. Chen's lab results are good enough to support the conclusion of at least twice poisons. The explanations to the data could be different depending on who explains them. It's easy to know whose explanation is more convincing, because data can speak themself!
   9. I guess ZL's lawyer should already consult some independent medical experts. If lab analysis shows more than 2 poisons, which could be new evidence to reopen the case.
   10. I am sure GongAn have key evidence. Let more people know and reopen the case before Dong's 17th conference! if reopen, justice will be done! Do something if suspect and other involved people are wise.
   please post your translation here if anybody wants to help. I don't have much time on this issue, but will visit the web as much as I can. Thanks
   
   
    作者: xyggmm 2006-5-21 00:06   回复此发言
   
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   2 回复:more about XH's medical report
    向您表示敬意和感谢,您费了不少心.我们大家也会人人尽一点力共同为了推动这个案件的重审努力的。
   希望更多的人加入进来!
   
   
    作者: 素描们越描越黑 2006-5-21 00:48   回复此发言
   
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   3 回复:more about XH's medical report
    最盼望的就是重启,最重要的就是凶手伏法.同时,协和耐人寻味的地方就有希望被揭开.
   
   
    作者: 素描们越描越黑 2006-5-21 01:06   回复此发言
   
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   4 回复:more about XH's medical report
    I remember a report said that Dr. Li's response to Dr. Chen's test was different from other doctors such as Dr. Wei. It was : he went to ICU immediately. "Immediately" means he knew it was very serious and urgent to change ZL's treatment according to the results. But, how and why still the special treatment was delayed for several days since he must know "Time is life". What and who delayed him? What's the allowed delay for this kind of situation? For emergent treatment, everything is counted by minutes even seconds.In addition, who excluded his right impression initially?
   I don't tend to change people's persuing to the suspect, but as a medical professional, I am just wondering!
   
   
    作者: xyggmm 2006-5-21 02:08   回复此发言
   
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    xyggmm, you haven't changed people'e persuing to the suspect.
   
   
    作者: 缉铊谈畅 2006-5-21 02:14   回复此发言
   
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   6 回复:more about XH's medical report
    I totally agree with xyggmm.向您表示敬意和感谢!
   
   
    作者: blackmonkey 2006-5-21 04:01   回复此发言
   
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   7 向专家致敬
    菡子希望有机会拜访
   
   
    作者: Araceli 2006-5-21 05:50   回复此发言
   
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   8 尊敬的xyggmm ,我给你留言了
    请检查您的消息箱
   菡子
   
   
    作者: Araceli 2006-5-21 06:06   回复此发言
   
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   9 回复:more about XH's medical report
    Any evidence ís welcome to forward to Zhu, Ling's family. Is it right thing to talk about it right here? I am still wondering.
   Merci!
   
   
    作者: 情诉莱茵 2006-5-21 06:19   回复此发言
   
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   10 回复:more about XH's medical report
    感谢楼主。请热心者译成中文,方便网民阅读。
   
   
    作者: 长征虽老亦年青 2006-5-21 14:40   回复此发言
   
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   11 回复:more about XH's medical report
    为便于xyggmm阅读, 论文帖子在这里,
   http://post.baidu.com/f?kz=95171909
   这里是杂志,内容应该一样.
   http://zhyx.periodicals.net.cn/default.html
   
   
    作者: 63.231.153.* 2006-5-21 19:46   回复此发言
   
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   12 回复:more about XH's medical report
    Thanks for giving me the link. I read through and have nothing to correct on my previous comments.
   From the 5 cases, none except case 1 (should be ZL) had 2 onsets. So single onset of other 4 cases reflects one peak. No second peak for second onset without second intake. No need to re-test because no doubt to Dr. Chen's results.
   
   
    作者: xyggmm 2006-5-21 23:29   回复此发言
   
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   13 回复:more about XH's medical report
    看您的帖子很累,因为我英文很烂的。怪我没好好学习。
   医学上的结论只能在重启后采用。2次以上的投毒也应该是被公安所采信和认定的,问题要是能找到多次投毒所能反映的犯罪线索交集,并能指定到嫌疑人身上,就会有新的内容.如果物证不足,公安以前的取证有失误,或者是公检法就是封案,也要有新的物或人证,这才是重启的关键.所以,更大的还是人证上面.
   律师有些,但把握不足,在等待更多的证据。
   
   
    作者: 素描们越描越黑 2006-5-22 00:16   回复此发言
   
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   14 回复:more about XH's medical report
    因为公安一直强调:不能说有进展,也不能说没进展...现在早了点吧.
   所以,态度是有松动的。
   朱家人屡次碰壁,就是应该没有更新更有力的证据重新立案.
   个人不认为,如果有新的足够的证据,公安还敢封案不受理.因为,现在嫌疑人的背景都不足以让她歼灭网络的舆论,应该更不能再有一手遮天的势力了。
   
   
    作者: 素描们越描越黑 2006-5-22 00:20   回复此发言
   
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   15 回复:more about XH's medical report
    您说您在思考,协和的作为和不作为确实不管从专业角度和职业操守都无疑是有蹊跷的,当然臆断是没有用的。
   不过,今天看了一个帖子是关于嫌疑人之父从事的医疗器械生意与协和可能有利益往来,就有些敏感!
   不能不说,为什么这么巧?
   但是,判断还是要从事实出发.
   所以,我觉得重启的方向应该还是我给您的站内消息里说的那样,才更可靠和
   有力度.因为这才是直接证据!
   
   
    作者: 素描们越描越黑 2006-5-22 22:29   回复此发言
   
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    关于帖子的连接,您可以参考:http://post.baidu.com/f?kz=101626282相信您应该会看过,也相信不会影响你的理智判断,毕竟,现在这是猜测,但可能对您思考的思路有更多的拓展.有些疑问可能就会想的更多一些。比如,公安曾经调查过孙父的事实与这里的信息有交集和呼应.
   就当一说,毕竟,案情本身不复杂,但我们所有人都能感到背景的复杂.
   
   
    作者: 素描们越描越黑 2006-5-22 22:37   回复此发言
   
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    4 楼翻译:
   我记得一个报道上记载, 在得知陈医生的测试结果和别的医生不同之后, 李医生和魏医生的反应大相径庭. 情景是: 他立即走向急救室. “立即”就说明了了他知道不同的结果意味着治疗计划需要马上实施重大改变. 但是, 到底为什么,如何, 在他深知 “时间既生命”的背景下, 特殊治疗措施被耽搁数日? 什么, 何人拖延了他? 被同意的拖延有哪些?紧急情况是刻不容缓的, 有时时间是以秒为计算单位. 还有, 谁最初排除了李的正确诊断? 我的本意不是转移大家对嫌疑人的注意力,但是作为医务人员, 我觉得非常疑惑.

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